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| + | Emlyn is founded upon the premise that the eight virtues lead the knight as a beacon of morality. How we understand those virtues, their order, and their importance has changed many times over the century. Those of Westleeuw follow what they believe to be "West Law" or the "Law of Western Men". | ||
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| + | ; Truth, Justice and Honor | ||
| + | The West Law says that the three most important virtues are Truth, Justice and Honor. They believe that these three core virtues were given to the Knights of Emlyn by Cú Chulainn, the Son of Lugh, more then 1500 years ago. They believe that it is Cú Chulainn who is the last true King of Emlyn, and that his father the god Lugh is the one who belongs on the Arcanum Crystal. | ||
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| + | ;Valor and Sacrifice | ||
| + | Two other gods and their sons are accorded the virtues of Valor and Sacrifice. Lir and his son Mannana Mac Lir are associated with the sea and the great courage one must have to brave the treacherous seas that brought the people of the west to Emlyn. Cernunnos is believed to have been Conall, foster Brother of Cú Chulainn, and is the god of the land and the Wild Hunt. The wild hunt is understood to be part of natural selection, a right and necessary transition from summer into fall. And the Lord of the Hunt, Cernunnos is the keeper of the earth, the forest and the eternal summer lands. | ||
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| + | West Law demonstrates its origins on the western coast of Cuiveinen as it sees the afterlife as Tir na Nog or Avalon, a land in the western sea ruled by Mannana Mac Lir, Lord of the Sea and Guardian of the Afterlife. Sacrifice and Valor represent both our evolution as sentient creatures and our growth as children out of childhood. | ||
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| + | ; Humility, Compassion, Spirituality | ||
| + | Which of the many triple goddess represent the last three of the Virtues has been lost in the rise of the Thorn King and the slow denigration of women in the role of society. Scholors argue if the ''"triple goddess"'' is in fact one goddess with three aspects such as Brigit, three sisters such as the Morrigan, or a true mother-maiden-crone such as Yrsa. The Riders of Ulster accept any of these personifications of this last virtue trinity. | ||
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| + | =Elven Version= | ||
| + | ;In case anyone wants an UO-LotR match | ||
| + | {| class="wikitable" | ||
| + | !Valor | ||
| + | !Virtue | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |Manwë, Blessed One kind, compassionate ruler, unconcerned with his own power | ||
| + | |Honor (Chalice) | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |Varda, Queen of the Stars, "in light is her power and her joy" | ||
| + | |Spirituality (Ankh) | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |Ulmo, "Rainer", | ||
| + | |Valor (Sword) | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |Yavanna, Giver of Fruits, Queen of the Earth | ||
| + | |Humility (the Crook) | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |Aulë, The Maker | ||
| + | |Truth (Open Hand) | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |Mandos, Prison-Fortress | ||
| + | |Justice (Scales) | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |Nienna, Weeping, Mercy | ||
| + | |Compassion (Heart) | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |Oromë, Horn-Blower, Lord of Forests | ||
| + | |Sacrifice (Tear) | ||
| + | |} | ||
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| + | =Irish Version= | ||
==West Law== | ==West Law== | ||
Emlyn is founded upon the premise that the eight virtues lead the knight as a beacon of morality. How we understand those virtues, their order, and their importance has changed many times over the century. Those of Westleeuw follow what they believe to be "West Law" or the "Law of Western Men". | Emlyn is founded upon the premise that the eight virtues lead the knight as a beacon of morality. How we understand those virtues, their order, and their importance has changed many times over the century. Those of Westleeuw follow what they believe to be "West Law" or the "Law of Western Men". | ||
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===Honesty, Valor, Humility=== | ===Honesty, Valor, Humility=== | ||
| + | ; The Fate Speaker, the Berzerker ..... | ||
: Open Hand, The Sword, and Crook | : Open Hand, The Sword, and Crook | ||
If the goal of Justice and Honor is to be reached righteously, each must follow the paths of Honesty, Valor and Humility. For while service to the God of Law is the end goal, each must shed ego, fear and pride. | If the goal of Justice and Honor is to be reached righteously, each must follow the paths of Honesty, Valor and Humility. For while service to the God of Law is the end goal, each must shed ego, fear and pride. | ||
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| + | Looking for three gods/goddess that fit these virtues. Random Brain storming: | ||
| + | * Crook, Shepard, humble, simple, farmer (I also like Macha, wife of Cruinniuc as the goddess of Humility, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macha#Macha,_wife_of_Cruinniuc wikipedia]) | ||
| + | * open hand, healing, generosity, plain speech, lay on hands, healing touch (that would make Badb the goddess of Honesty, and consequently prophesy) | ||
| + | * the sword, valor, courage, (what about Nemain for valor) | ||
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| + | This would make this set of virtues ties directly to the Morrígna, a trio of three sisters. Its a good parallel but it might make the whole things to complicated. | ||
===Justice and Honor=== | ===Justice and Honor=== | ||
| + | ; By my hand and will | ||
: Chalice and Scales | : Chalice and Scales | ||
| − | To bind by oath defines the blended god Lugh-Tyr. In his role as Lord of the Circle, Lugh-Tyr is everything a knight or paladin idealizes. | + | To bind by oath defines the blended god Lugh-Tyr. In his role as Lord of the Circle, Lugh-Tyr is everything a knight or paladin idealizes. As Lugh he is warrior, king, craftsman and hero. As Tyr he was the first all-father before Odin, the friend-keeper of Fenrir and lost his hand to the great beast keeping the oath he made. |
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| + | As the keeper of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_(assembly) Thing] Tyr is the god of Law and Justice, while Lugh who is stern, swift to anger, eager for combat, a noble warrior, and a hero with a sweet tongue is the epitome of an Honorable Knight. | ||
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| + | In some accounts Lugh-Tyr is viewed as a triple god, a father, son and avenging spirit in the form of a wolf or hound. The true origin of this view does not match the 8 virtues commonly worshipped in Emlyn, but there are parallels in other lore both pre and post dating this view. | ||
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| + | =Welsh Version= | ||
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| + | I could switch Lugh-Tyr to being Lludd-Tyr very easily since no one but I am really rping with it much. That would make since because Lludd also lost his hand and is associated with King Arthur. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lludd_Llaw_Eraint Wikipedia]. | ||
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| + | This would still keep Mannana Mac Lir as the sea god, as he's both Irish and Welsh, tho in Wales he'd be called Llyr. | ||
=Old Notes= | =Old Notes= | ||
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* Dual Sacrifice & Compassion (Now/Past). Wild Hunt & Healing | * Dual Sacrifice & Compassion (Now/Past). Wild Hunt & Healing | ||
* Single - Spirituality with Yrsa as a Triple Goddess (Past) | * Single - Spirituality with Yrsa as a Triple Goddess (Past) | ||
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Latest revision as of 02:18, 11 October 2019
Emlyn is founded upon the premise that the eight virtues lead the knight as a beacon of morality. How we understand those virtues, their order, and their importance has changed many times over the century. Those of Westleeuw follow what they believe to be "West Law" or the "Law of Western Men".
- Truth, Justice and Honor
The West Law says that the three most important virtues are Truth, Justice and Honor. They believe that these three core virtues were given to the Knights of Emlyn by Cú Chulainn, the Son of Lugh, more then 1500 years ago. They believe that it is Cú Chulainn who is the last true King of Emlyn, and that his father the god Lugh is the one who belongs on the Arcanum Crystal.
- Valor and Sacrifice
Two other gods and their sons are accorded the virtues of Valor and Sacrifice. Lir and his son Mannana Mac Lir are associated with the sea and the great courage one must have to brave the treacherous seas that brought the people of the west to Emlyn. Cernunnos is believed to have been Conall, foster Brother of Cú Chulainn, and is the god of the land and the Wild Hunt. The wild hunt is understood to be part of natural selection, a right and necessary transition from summer into fall. And the Lord of the Hunt, Cernunnos is the keeper of the earth, the forest and the eternal summer lands.
West Law demonstrates its origins on the western coast of Cuiveinen as it sees the afterlife as Tir na Nog or Avalon, a land in the western sea ruled by Mannana Mac Lir, Lord of the Sea and Guardian of the Afterlife. Sacrifice and Valor represent both our evolution as sentient creatures and our growth as children out of childhood.
- Humility, Compassion, Spirituality
Which of the many triple goddess represent the last three of the Virtues has been lost in the rise of the Thorn King and the slow denigration of women in the role of society. Scholors argue if the "triple goddess" is in fact one goddess with three aspects such as Brigit, three sisters such as the Morrigan, or a true mother-maiden-crone such as Yrsa. The Riders of Ulster accept any of these personifications of this last virtue trinity.
